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Unveiling the Maceos: From Immigrants to Galveston's Power Duo - Featuring Kimber Fountain, Author of "The Maceos and the Free State of Galveston, An Authorized History"

This episode of 'Unboxing History' delves into the intriguing history Galveston County, Texas, through the lens of Sam and Rose Maceo, who played a pivotal role in transforming the city in the early to mid-20th century. Hosted by Christine Hopkins and Jodi Wright Gidley, the podcast unveils artifacts from the Galveston County Museum's collection, including a sealed deck of cards from the renowned Balinese Room and memorabilia from the Turf Athletic Club. Author  Kimber Fountain shares the remarkable journey of the Maceo brothers from Sicilian immigrants to influential entrepreneurs in Galveston, emphasizing their rum running during Prohibition, and their lasting impact on the city's development and culture. Their legacy shaped Galveston's identity as a premium resort destination, and they created a model that influenced modern-day Las Vegas.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to Unboxing History: Unveiling Galveston's Treasures
• 0:19 This Month's Treasure: A Peek into Galveston's Glamorous Past
• 1:21 Diving Deep into the Maceo Brothers' Legacy
• 4:28 The Maceos' Vision: Transforming Galveston into a Luxury Destination
• 9:43 The Hollywood Dinner Club: A Pioneering Vision for Entertainment
• 16:37 The Maceos' Impact: Beyond Entertainment to Philanthropy
• 21:56 Exploring the Maceo Exhibit at the Galveston County Museum
• 23:08 How to Contribute to the Museum's Collection
• 24:15 Closing Thoughts and Invitation to the Next Episode

Transcript

Episode 5 

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Christine Hopkins: Welcome to Unboxing History. I'm Christine Hopkins, a Galveston author and a local expert, 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: and I'm Jodi Wright Gidley, director of the Galveston County Museum. 

Christine Hopkins: Every month as part of this Unboxing History podcast, we're going to unveil a treasure that's part of the collection of the Galveston County Museum.

Christine Hopkins: Museum. So this month, Jody, what's our treasure? 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: Well, let's take a look. 

Christine Hopkins: We have a couple of things. 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: So we have a deck of cards, but this is not just any deck of cards. This is a deck of cards that was used at the Balinese Room in Galveston. This was donated by the estate of Edward Randolph, Jr. He was a manager at the Balinese in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

Christine Hopkins: Oh, wow. 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: This deck of cards is sealed. It is, the cards are sealed in wax because if you were playing, you'd always start with a new sealed deck. This deck's never been opened. 

Christine Hopkins: That's amazing. What else do we have? 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: We have a couple of other things from the Turf Athletic team. Club and [00:01:00] Balinese. There's a cup and a business card.

Jodi Wright-Gidley: So this, so this could have been used at any club apparently. 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: It could have, yeah. Um, so this is also a business card that is from the Turf Beer Garden and it says, we deliver anything at any time day or night. Interesting. Very, I wonder what they deliver. So, oh, don't forget the cup. And, so now we're going to talk to our guest to hear more about the Maceos and their contributions to Galveston.

Jodi Wright-Gidley: If you're familiar with the history of Galveston, you've heard of the Maceos, who were known for the Balinese Room and other clubs in Galveston. Hollywood Dinner Club. So today we have Kimber Fountain who is the author of The Maceos and the Free State of Galveston, an authorized history. And she's really an expert on the Maceos and their contributions to Galveston.

Jodi Wright-Gidley: So Kimber, for people that haven't heard of the Maceos, can you tell us a little bit about who they were and how they came from being barbers to club owners. 

Kimber Fountain: [00:02:00] Sure. Um, and they have a very interesting story. Of course, they immigrated from Sicily, um, ended up in Galveston sometime in the 1910s. Um, and then yes, they were barbers.

Kimber Fountain: They were making 25 cents a haircut at a shop that was on 25th street, uh, downtown. But there was just something about these guys is the way I like to put it. I mean, quite simply, they had vision. Um, they were kind of born entrepreneurs. They were born entertainers. Um, but the one thing they, they, they that they did not have was capital, right?

Kimber Fountain: There's not really much wiggle room when you're, you know, making 25 cents a haircut. So, um, they reluctantly decided to start investing into rum running with the onset of alcohol prohibition. Um, now they were terrified of being deported because they did not want to go back to Sicily. They wanted to stay in the United States, but they were just kind of willing to take that risk because they needed that financial impetus, you know, in order to fulfill their vision and their dreams.

Kimber Fountain: But almost immediately, the trajectory that the Maceo brothers were on, [00:03:00] uh, completely diverged from that of the other low level criminals who were simply content running rum. And, you know, and, um, within a year they opened up their very first restaurant. And actually a very little known fact is that prior to that, their very first business or legitimate business, well, it wasn't really legit.

Kimber Fountain: It was on paper. Whatever it was, it was a. soft drink stand, which during prohibition was like a code word for a bar, right? Where you could go get a nice, refreshing cola. I use a lot of air quotes in this history anyway, um, but shortly after that they opened up their very first restaurant on the seawall at 21st street across from the Hotel Galvez.

Kimber Fountain: Now of course, if you're familiar with the history, you're jumping ahead of me and you know that this is the exact location of the Balinese Room, but what is lesser known is that in its very first incarnation, it was. It was splendid and it made headlines all over. It was the most luxurious thing that had ever hit the Gulf Coast.

Kimber Fountain: Uh, they, uh, modeled it after a cafe in New York City. So they really just pulled out, um, [00:04:00] out all the stops and really made their mark with that very first restaurant. And then after that they were asked to invest in the, in the Hollywood Dinner Club. 

Christine Hopkins: Really? Yeah. Yeah. I never realized that. Yeah. Well, so, I mean, of course we know them for the Balinese.

Christine Hopkins: We know them for the Hollywood Dinner Club, but they had, like you said, Well, a, you know, a soda shop, but they had some other legitimate businesses all over Galveston and Galveston County. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Of 

Kimber Fountain: course. Yeah. They, um, well, here's the thing about the Maceos, they, what I discovered when I was, you know, really doing the deep dive into them and, you know, cause I'm, I'm really curious.

Kimber Fountain: as an historian as to why things happen, not just what is happening. Right. So I was really interested, you know, in who the Maceos were and why they were doing what they were doing. And what I discovered was that really at the core of everything that they did was this real genuine love for Galveston. And my theory [00:05:00] is that because they are originally from Palermo, Palermo was on the Northern coast of Sicily.

Kimber Fountain: It's known for its palm trees and its sisters trees and its ocean air. And so I even get chills even now and I still say this, but so my theory is that they were drawn to Galveston because it reminded them of home because there's really no logical reason that they had to move here. You know, they were in Louisiana with their family.

Kimber Fountain: They, so, so they had this real genuine love and they also had a vision for it. They really looked at Galveston and thought that it could really truly be an international, internationally renowned luxury resort destination. And so that was really at the basis of everything that happened. they did. But then what that made them realize was that in order for their so called illegitimate businesses to flourish, they had to make sure that Galveston's legitimate businesses flourished because there had to be some sort of a foundation.

Kimber Fountain: There had to be an anchor, you know, and uh, and so they, [00:06:00] um, route, they, um, really promoted Galveston a lot as far as the seawall went. I think we're going to talk a little bit more about that later. Um, but they were also oil speculators, you know. I mean, they had, you know, from, you, you name it, you know, they had all sorts of entertainment venues as well in addition to their gambling houses, um, and they were really, they were generous philanthropists as well.

Kimber Fountain: They were, um, very keen. They had an ear to the ground in the city all the time. They knew who needed something, who was hurting, who, you know, and, and oftentimes unsolicited, you know, they would jump in and, and offer their assistance to local residents as well. So that is really what formed the basis for why the free state of Galveston lasted 40 years, you know, and why it thrived, you know, it thrived because of their leadership, you know, more than anything.

Christine Hopkins: Well, during the era of prohibition going through illegal gambling in Galveston, how at the height of it, which I don't know what year that would have been, but at the height of it, how many [00:07:00] speakeasies and so forth clubs were, there? Do you estimate were in Galveston and maybe even Galveston County, including those owned by the Maceos?

Christine Hopkins: I'm sure there are other people. 

Kimber Fountain: There were lots of others. So, so the peak was actually like, it just kept growing until it was shut down. 

Christine Hopkins: Really? 

Kimber Fountain: Yeah. Yeah. It didn't, it never plateaued. It never fell off. It just kept going upwards until 1957 when the, when the city was raided. So in 1957, um, in the paperwork for, um, that the attorney general had, um, you know, on the basis for his raid.

Kimber Fountain: There were 42 gambling houses and bars in Galveston 

Christine Hopkins: On Galveston island. 42 

Kimber Fountain: And only and the important thing to know about that as well is that only a handful of those were actually owned by the Maceos. Yes, they, um, that's another, that was another token of their leadership is that they applied this unsurprisingly successful, um, laissez faire approach, um, to business here.

Kimber Fountain: [00:08:00] They, they didn't stamp out the competition. You know, there was no coercion. no sawed off shotguns, you know, exploiting people. It was nothing like that. They simply set the bar, you know, they set the standard and then everyone else kind of rose, rose to that, which I think is really great. Um, so, um, another thing that they had though really going for them was, um, because, Uh, was discretion.

Kimber Fountain: So in that word was very important back then, or at least the theme of it was, um, because none of this could have survived if people weren't discreet, you know, we had senators and other politicians and celebrities, you know, down here going to our red light district and going to our gambling houses and, and we weren't going to be able to continue that if we weren't discreet about it.

Kimber Fountain: But the way that they developed that discretion was really through establishing trust with the rest of the city. And part of that was through, um, that philanthropy as well as the economic stimulus simply that they provided, you [00:09:00] know, unlike the, unlike the industry of the late 19th century and early 20th centuries, um, the Maceos weren't just trying to enrich themselves.

Kimber Fountain: You know, they were really trying, the whole city. 

Christine Hopkins: Well, and, and I mean, I think it was interesting. I was reading in your book that it was safer. I mean, they had, the police had a safe. smaller job because there was, there was so much money moving around the island that they had their own security detail.

Christine Hopkins: And so people knew they also needed to be on their best behavior around that security detail as well. And one of the other things that I was reading in your book, which, which I never knew, which was really interesting was when they opened the Hollywood club, which was only, as you said, open for two seasons, it was very innovative.

Christine Hopkins: I mean, they were very forward thinking. . 

Kimber Fountain: Yes. 

Christine Hopkins: So tell us, I mean, for, and for people that don't know, where was the Hollywood club and why was it important? Because it really gave us a whole bigger audience for Galveston.

Kimber Fountain: It did. It did. It was really the catalyst that set everything off at, and even is still influential even today in the United States.[00:10:00] 

Kimber Fountain: Interesting. Yes. So like I mentioned, the Meos were asked to invest in a new dinner club, um, opening up out on 61st Street. So, but what's important to understand here is that at the time, 61st Street was not the thoroughfare that it is today. It actually was not even inside the city limits. It was a two lane dirt road.

Kimber Fountain: Really? Yeah, it was county. 'cause, uh, count City at the time I think ended at 57th Street. Okay. Around there. And so it was just county and uh, you know, it was not the big, you know, four lane. Six lane, you know, thing we have today. And so Sam and Rose in their, you know, their genius, you know, ideating, um, they decided to, um, take this simple dinner club and make it into a luxury casino and the Hollywood dinner club on the corner of Stewart road and 61st street.

Kimber Fountain: Unfortunately it's a gas station now. There's nothing left, but, um, it became the very first place in the nation where you could get high end gambling, gourmet food, and high. [00:11:00] class entertainment all together under one roof. Now today we can buy a 75 flight to Las Vegas, right? So that doesn't seem like that big of a deal to us because Las Vegas is so iconic.

Kimber Fountain: But the Maceos were the ones who invented that, um, that template and in fact what the Maceos did with the Hollywood dinner club and later the Balinese actually was picked up by the American mafia and used. 

Kimber Fountain: to make Las Vegas into what it is today. Yeah, but all of that started right here on Galveston Island and, uh, you know, and back in 1926, nothing like this had ever been done before. It was revolutionary. Sure, there were casinos, but they were mostly like, you know, back alley, like dark rooms, you know, it was, there was no spectacle.

Kimber Fountain: It was just about the game and the gambling and the Maceos turned it into a spectacle and the result is, um, you know, a United States destination that is iconic. you know, and known the world over for, for what it offers. And that was the Maceo's idea. 

Kimber Fountain: And it was air conditioned, air conditioned. Yes. That was [00:12:00] Guy Lombardo perform there.

Kimber Fountain: He was the first for those that you don't, who don't know, look him up. He was very famous at the time. And then also they had one of the first radio broadcasts, which again, I mean, that's really something. So I think I read three times a week. They did a live broadcast from the Hollywood Dinner Club. And so people who couldn't afford to go there could still enjoy the music.

Kimber Fountain: I mean, I just. think that it's fantastic. 

Kimber Fountain: And that is really a testament to again, who the Maceos were, right? Because they didn't, they, they, there was no silver spoon, you know, with this family, you know, they were born penniless, you know, they had a really rough young childhood in Sicily. And then, I mean, I don't know if you can even imagine spending three weeks on a citrus boat..

Kimber Fountain: You know, like, you know, trying to, I'm going over to United States and then, um, you know, and so they seem to always, they were always really in touch with, um, with the population of Galveston. I [00:13:00] don't want to say the common people because in general with the general public, you know, they didn't, they didn't sequester themselves up in towers, you know, and they didn't, uh, you know, they didn't, uh, you know, alienate themselves from the rest of the town.

Kimber Fountain: Um, they were, you know, they were very much into, and really that. That's what Galveston was even before the Maceos got here. But the Maceos really, you know, kind of latched on to that and really made that trust and that commonality within the Galveston community just so much stronger, which is really cool.

Kimber Fountain: So I was reading, you know, we know about the gambling and the speculation. and the Hollywood Dinner Club and the Balinese and so forth. But then they also established the Galveston Beach Association in 1920 and they hired, I'm looking at my notes, William Rowe to market Galveston. And I was reading about that and.

Kimber Fountain: That's incredible. I think a lot of people, including me, didn't know that they had a role in a lot of other things that people have probably seen photos of. So speak to [00:14:00] that. 

Kimber Fountain: Sure. Well, again, that goes back to what I said earlier about how the Maceos realized that their businesses relied on the success of Galveston as a whole not just their individual businesses.

Kimber Fountain: And so yes before they had even opened their first restaurant Before gambling was even a speck a glimmer in the eye of the Maceos here in 

Kimber Fountain: Galveston They hired this man named William Rowe who was an a pretty famous promoter at the time He had he worked for a lot of major companies all over the United States and people and so he developed he is the one really who developed this marketing plan to bring attention to the seawall. And so one of the first things that he did was introduce what was called this pageant of pulchritude.

Kimber Fountain: Now, many of you know the bathing beauties contest that, and of course that little, that wonderful piece of Galveston trivia that all of us love that eventually that would go on to be the Miss Universe pageant. And so yes, that was started by William Rowe. But there's another little piece of this that often gets lost and [00:15:00] that is that the pageant of poker toot in its original state was actually not a beauty contest.

Kimber Fountain: It was a fashion contest. Really? Yes. The whole point was to infuse the seawall with couture fashion and to bring one of a kind designs and labels and designers from all over the world to Galveston to display their fashion. So, again, that just. to me, illustrates the elevated mindset that they had. You know, they weren't just trying to do cheap little sensational, Oh, let's just put half naked women up there.

Kimber Fountain: You know what I mean? It wasn't, it wasn't about that. It was actually about bringing culture and sophistication and high arts to Galveston as well, which I think is really cool. 

Kimber Fountain: Well, and they started the car races on the major and they started. Splash Day, right? Um, no. 

Kimber Fountain: Splash Day wasn't until the 60s. Okay.

Kimber Fountain: That was later. 

Christine Hopkins: Okay. Well, but they had their role in a lot of things that was, that was happening on the seawall. 

Kimber Fountain: They did. They did. They built a lot of some of the amusement parks that were on the seawall as well and invested in those, like [00:16:00] ones that had the little rides, you know, or you could go around and around in little metal cars or airplanes or whatever they were, stuff like that.

Christine Hopkins: Well, and I mean, it's really interesting. Like again, I had no idea about their, that part of it that it all makes sense because it goes hand in hand with, you know, Tourism and making Galveston an appealing place to visit and then hopefully going and having dinner and spending some money and doing a little gambling too.

Christine Hopkins: So what do you think, I mean I know we've talked a lot about what people probably didn't know but, but what do you think that would surprise people the most about the Maceos, that you haven't spoke to. I know that's probably hard, but 

Kimber Fountain: No, it's not hard at all, actually. There's one very specific story, um, that comes to mind, because it's, um, again, it brings us into the 21st century.

Kimber Fountain: This is not, and that's the thing I love about this history, is that this history does not exist in a vacuum. Back, you know, between 1920 and 1960, this history is still living and thriving today, or at least Galveston is still thriving. Still thriving today because of it. So [00:17:00] again, I mentioned, uh, the Maceos philanthropy.

Kimber Fountain: So one thing that they were often known to do was to help local families with the tuition for college students. Oh yeah. Right. And um, so they happened to have this one employee who had been an employee for a long time, um, of theirs. And, uh, he was an a Greek immigrant. Actually, and, uh, had been a very loyal employee to Sam and Rose, and one time they were having, just having a conversation, and, uh, he says, he looks at, you know, his bosses, Sam and Rose, and he says, Gentlemen, he's like, I really have a problem.

Kimber Fountain: He's like, I don't know what to do. He said, My son. He's like, You should meet my son. This guy is a genius. You know, but he said, I have a really big problem and that's that I don't have the money to send him to college. And this father was just heartbroken, you know, because he didn't have the means to provide for this brilliant son of his to go to college.

Kimber Fountain: And so of course the Maceo stepped in and they paid full tuition for this employee's [00:18:00] son to attend Texas A& M University, Galveston. And the name of that son was George P. Mitchell. Oh my gosh. I mean, I chilled. Right? Right. I know. I know. Me too. Every time. But I've been talking about this stuff for like years, you know.

Kimber Fountain: Every time. And, and so of course, George Mitchell would go on to become a billionaire in the oil industry, but he would also turn around and invest over 300 million dollars into the restoration and renovation of downtown Galveston. He's the one who brought Mardi Gras back. Um, he is the one, he's the reason the Strand is what it is today and that all of those buildings stand and then even the Tremont House and the Galvez and you know, all of the, in the San Luis, all of these wonderful properties and none of that would have happened without the Maceos.

Kimber Fountain: And the fact of the matter is, is that the Galveston that we are today with the arts and the culture and the wonderful restaurants and the dining and, and the live music. That culture that we have today, to me, that was a [00:19:00] blossoming of this kind of dormant flower left behind by the Maceos. You know, that is not the result of us being a cotton port in the 19th century.

Kimber Fountain: You know, who we are today is because of the Maceos. And so that was why I really felt such a connection and such a purpose with this history because it was buried for so long, yet it is the critical singular identifier or, you know, really evolutionary site. Piece in Galveston's history of why we are what we are today.

Kimber Fountain: You know? And we, and we have to give them credit for that, for sure. 

Christine Hopkins: Well, oh my gosh, Kimber, thank you so much. Very welcome. I mean, this has been a real pleasure. So if you haven't seen it, this is Kimber's book, the Maceos and the Free State of Galveston, An Authorized History. And also you've written some other books.

Christine Hopkins: Tell us about that. 

Kimber Fountain: Yeah, sure. I've written three books on Galveston history. Um, the Galveston Seawall Chronicles, um, the book on Galveston's Red Light District, um, as well as, uh, the Maceos and the Free State of Galveston. Um, I am from a nationwide publisher, so my books are available anywhere books are sold, [00:20:00] but if you would like a signed, autographed copy of this book.

Kimber Fountain: I, uh, I do those. I sell those personally and it's at BooksByKimber.Com books by Kimber dot com and I actually deliver free anywhere on Galveston Islands and then I can ship anywhere in the United States. Um, but I'm also the owner and operator of the Red Light District Tours of Galveston, uh, that meets at seven o'clock Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights.

Kimber Fountain: Um, now there are some other red light tours out there, so just make sure that when you're looking that up that you make sure it's the tour from yours truly, um, but I'm also a professional speaker. I do writing and history lectures all over Southeast Texas and so I'm available for events as far as that goes as well.

Kimber Fountain: And you can find out any other information about me at, um, KimberFountain.Com. 

Christine Hopkins: Thanks so much. Sure. This was so much fun. And like I said, it was really enlightening when you think about the things that, that have affected Galveston, the 1900 storm, you know, uh, Beaumont and Spindletop really hurt us as well.

Christine Hopkins: But then in the twenties you had this resurgence [00:21:00] and this vision from the Maceos and, and then eventually even Mr. Mitchell's impact. I mean, all those things have made the island what it is and I think Galveston continues to grow and prosper because of their vision. 

Kimber Fountain: Yeah, we do for sure. They set a good example for us to follow, I think, for sure.

Kimber Fountain: Gambling included. Wink wink. Just kidding. 

Christine Hopkins: Thanks so much. 

Kimber Fountain: All right. Thank you, Christine. 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: I would love to travel back in time and see a show at the Hollywood Dinner Club or the Balinese and have a good meal. That would be great. 

Christine Hopkins: I mean if you think about, like Kimber was saying, the vision of the Maceos and even their help to Mr.

Christine Hopkins: Mitchell and what an impact that made to Galveston, it, you know, I think it's something that a lot of people didn't realize that yes, they had the, the gambling and the speakeasies. and, and all of those things, but then also they had such a, you know, an influence on the tourism in general in Galveston. So tell us more about the exhibit here [00:22:00] that is on the Maceos and some of the things that people would see when they come to visit the museum.

Jodi Wright-Gidley: Sure. So we have a small section of the museum that has photos from the Maceo clubs. We have a chair from the Balinese. different, um, archival pieces like stationery, a membership application to the Balinese. We have some really cool things that you'll see if you come to the museum. 

Christine Hopkins: Well, and so, um, when people come to the museum, where will they find the exhibit?

Christine Hopkins: And, um, how much time should they plan to spend? 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: Well, if you come to the museum, plan to spend about an hour to look all around. And then the part where you can see the Balinese artifacts are just right inside the entrance to the right. And we'll show you if you come. 

Christine Hopkins: Well, and the other fun part about that area is, and we feature this in another podcast, is the movie that was shown at the Martini Theater.

Christine Hopkins: It was a marketing video for Galveston, which kind of takes you back in history as well. Well, and so I'm sure there are people that may have those interesting [00:23:00] treasures that are remnants of that time of the Balinese, the Hollywood Dinner Club, and even other bars or, or speakeasies and clubs throughout Galveston County.

Christine Hopkins: How can people, uh, put them on loan or donate them to the County Museum. 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yeah, so we take donations from the community all the time. That's how our collection is made. If you'd like to make a donation, just contact us. We'll talk about it. You'll have a little paperwork to do. We also do take loans, so if you've got something you're not really ready to part with forever, but you want to let other people see it, we take loans and can put your things on exhibit here.

Jodi Wright-Gidley: So just give us a call or an email. 

Christine Hopkins: And the County Museum is located at? 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: We are inside the courthouse at It's 722 Moody or 21st Street. 

Christine Hopkins: And um, it is open Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 10 to 4. And on Tuesdays and Thursdays, what's special about Tuesdays and Thursdays here at the museum? 

Jodi Wright-Gidley: Yeah, so we're free on the Monday, Wednesday, Fridays.

Jodi Wright-Gidley: And on Tuesdays and Thursdays are the days that you can book a tour with us or play our Padlock Mystery game that [00:24:00] is becoming more and more popular. It's a fun game you can play inside the museum. So you should play. 

Christine Hopkins: Well, check it out and follow us on, um, Unboxing History every month for a new podcast to learn more about what's featured as part of the County Museum collection.

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